Kansas Fossils named after Kansans who found them! Ahh Ahh, Kansas!
Feb. 19th, 2010 | 10:09 pm
Ancient fish named for Kansans
BY ROY WENZL and BECCY TANNER
The Wichita Eagle
In Science magazine this week, paleontologists are announcing the discovery of a new genus of ancient giant fish, uncovered in the chalk deposits of Kansas, Britain and elsewhere. And with that discovery comes the story of the relentless Kansas family that solved a fish science mystery.
The scientists named the new genus after the Bonner family of Leoti, who found the breakthrough specimen. The family for decades has hunted fossils in the bone-rich Niobrara chalk to salve the grief over their mother's death.
Bonnerichthys the scientists are calling it: 20 to 25 feet long, eyes 6 inches wide, a mouth that could have swallowed the eight Bonner children in one or two gulps.
The giant fish ate microscopic plankton, and that's a big deal to fish historians; they didn't know fish like that lived in the dinosaur age.
The Bonners have changed fish history. They did not know this on the day in 1971 that they hauled a giant fish head out of the chalk canyons along Twin Butte Creek.
* * *
Logan County in western Kansas is "Dust Bowl dry," as Orville Bonner says. The buttes where the Bonners hunted fossils are all chalk, yellow and tan, covered with yucca and shortgrass, gorgeous in the low light of the western Kansas sun. It's oven-door hot in summer, with soil so light-colored that it sunburns fossil hunters from the ground up.
Marion, the father, ran his movie house at night, and by day hunted bones and teeth on land that looked like the deserts of movie-house westerns: dusty canyons and gullies with local topographical names including Hell Creek, Horse Thief Canyon, Rattlesnake Gulch. The chief residents, besides cattle, are rattlesnakes, hognose snakes and lesser earless lizards.
One day in 1971, Marion Bonner took his sons to Logan County along Twin Butte Creek. Dana said they drove out in "Spiker," a prehistoric-looking 1949 Chevy Suburban. They were rural Kansans scratching out a living: Dana, a high schooler, had spent part of the summer with a wheat harvest crew.
Chuck, a 21-year-old art major at Fort Hays State University, was the one who found the fish; he climbed to the top of a butte the Bonners called "The Big Place," a butte 40 feet tall from summit to valley floor.
In one of the chalk spires, Chuck saw something big and brown sticking out.
"Dark fossil bone," he said. "I did a little digging. I assumed it was a fin."
For four days, Marion Bonner dug out jumbled bones, applying plaster to hold them in place for study.
They had to let the bone pile down to Spiker on ropes.
* * *
Scientists love the Bonners, Marion and all his children: Orville, Clare-Jane, Letty, Steve, Chris, Chuck, Dana, and Melanie.
They hunted fossils for therapy, Dana said. His mother Margaret died of a heart attack in 1967.
"It's a very deep anchor for me on a spiritual level to go hunting fossils," Dana said.
Over the seven decades that Marion climbed and combed the chalk buttes and over the four decades his children accompanied him, the Bonners helped science immeasurably. When they found unusual-looking bones, they gave them to scientists and let them take published credit for the discoveries.
Their discoveries lay now in museums in Kansas, Chicago, Los Angeles and elsewhere. Scientists named discoveries after them: A few invertebrates.
Pecten bonneri, a small-fin fish. Pteranodon bonneri, a flying reptile. Niobrarateuthis bonneri, an ancient squid, found by Melanie.
* * *
Marion Bonner had no idea what to make of the pile of bones.
He told Orville to take them to the scientists.
Orville by that time was the preparator at the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. He took the bones to KU paleontologist Larry Martin. Martin was impressed; he saw bone structures he'd never seen before, eye sockets 6 inches across.
A "barn-burner" of a fossil find, he said.
"An amazing big fish. I didn't know what it was. But I knew it was a big deal."
* * *
In the age of dinosaurs, North America was divided in two by the Western Interior Sea, and the Great Plains was a skeleton-covered sea bottom, the water above it home to sharks, squid, manta rays, giant clams, giant reptile mosasaurs and plesiosaurs, and plankton, a microscopic animal still thriving today.
It was plankton that fossilized into oil and gas; it is plankton that feeds the biggest animals on the planet, planktivores, including baleen whales, basking sharks and manta rays. It is a paradox in biology that the world's biggest animal eats the world's smallest food item.
Until this week, fish paleontologists were always puzzled about why they never found any planktivores in the fossil record.
* * *
For decades at KU, Larry Martin showed the bones to fish scientists whenever he could talk them into peeking into the box in Dyche Hall. But none could decipher what the fish head was telling them.
There were no real body bones; mostly skull and huge front fins. No teeth.
Martin, by now an expert on dinosaurs, small ancient mammals, saber-toothed cats, ancient birds and many other creatures, was beginning to suspect that the Bonner fish, like today's baleen whale, was a "filter feeder." If so, this was a huge find.
Eventually he let a commercial company take the fish head to Colorado and prepare it.
In Colorado, a fish scientist completing his Ph.D. from the University of Chicago, Matt Friedman, saw the fish head — and became the first scientist to grasp the significance.
He called Martin and got permission to study it.
Over the course of time, Friedman went to work in England for the University of Oxford's Department of Earth Sciences. What he saw were long, toothless jaws supporting a gaping mouth, long bones that braced the gill arches needed to filter huge quantities of plankton-filled water.
By that time, Friedman had connected dots; he'd found other specimens of other species of this genus, in Britain and Japan, mis-identified; the scientists had not seen what they were.
As Friedman closed in on identifying the new genus, paleontologist Mike Everhart of Derby, an expert on the Western Interior Sea, was digging up a specimen in Gove County, more complete than the Bonner fish.
Suddenly scientists could paint a more complete picture of the ancient seas, now including these giants.
They were a successful genus; they thrived 172 million years ago, and died 65 million years ago along with the dinosaurs.
* * *
Finding a new species, which the Bonners did several times over many years, is a big deal. Opening the door to discovering an entire new genus is even bigger. A genus is a grouping of related animals; wolves and dogs, for example, are members of the genus Canis. Donkeys, horses and zebras: Equus. The Bonners added a new genus to the list of nature's creations.
Marion Bonner died in 1992, age 81. He had spent seven decades contributing considerably to science.
Friedman named the fish genus Bonnerichthys after the family; the species they found in Logan County is Bonnerichthys gladius.
Marion's children still hunt bones and teeth, and still ride Spiker.
Bonnerichthys.
"It's pretty interesting," Orville Bonner said.
"We never had an entire genus named after us before."
Reach Roy Wenzl at 316-268-6219 or rwenzl@wichitaeagle.com.
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Homeowners
Feb. 15th, 2010 | 07:23 pm
Already, plans for a fence, deck, new master bath, overhaul on the kitchen, paint, and landscaping are in the works! We have rented for far too long and miss owning our own house!
Eudora, Kansas is the town we chose to make our home. It is just east of Lawrence, Kansas (our current city of choice) and closer to Kansas City. This is great because it will cut MY commute time almost in half! Yay!
Stats on the house:
3 bedrooms
2 baths
living room with fireplace
family room with wood-burning stove
dining room
eat-in kitchen
over-sized 2-car garage with 3-car driveway
corner lot, basement (used as a 4th bedroom, but we will use as indoor storage)
and decent-sized backyard for KC!!
So, overall, very happy to be embarking on another house, but getting ready for a busy couple of months of moving and improving!
SO...MARK YOUR CALENDARS!!!! Housewarming Party to come in early summer/late spring! Dates will be posted! Can't wait to show off our new place!
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Does your current occupation affect your self-worth? (current question from Livejournal)
Mar. 5th, 2008 | 04:28 pm
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annoyed
Does your current occupation affect your self-worth?
What a good question...since I seem to not be too happy with my occupation lately...and honestly, I think that I am unhappy just with the people I work with...or rather one or two people I work with that don't appreciate me for my abilities and my accomplishments and my contribution...and the environment in which I work...not necessarily the occupation (although the hours suck) or the company I work for...so, as short and somewhat vague as that answer may be, that is my answer.
Enjoy!
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What Ungrateful Spoiled Brats We Are!!!
Mar. 5th, 2008 | 04:21 pm
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Ungrateful Spoiled Brats
Jay Leno puts it into perspective and makes us think about our pathetic negativity.
That's right, Jay Leno!!
Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....
"The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll
data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true, given the source, right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with
the direction the country is headed, and 69 percent of the country is
unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence, 2/3's of the
citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.
So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What are we so
unhappy about?''
Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and
heating in the winter?
Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?
Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time, and see
more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?
Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic
Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through
each state?
Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the
way that can provide temporary shelter?
I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around
the world is just not good enough.
Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and
Provide services to help all, and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.
Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may
be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of
trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to
extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.
Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar
or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof
vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.
This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias
raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of
teenagers own cell phones and computers.
How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy
that are the envy of everyone in the world?
Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.
Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world
has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great
disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed
people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have ,
and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we
live here.
I know, I know. What about the President who took us into war and has no
plan to get us out? The President who has a measly 31 percent approval
rating? Is this the same President who guided the nation in the dark days
after 9/11? The President that cut taxes to bring an economy out of
recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in
the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe
from terrorist attacks?
The Commander-In Chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there
defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the Presi dent is on the news or
talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you
couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?
Think about it...are you upset at the President because he actually caused
you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to
kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.
Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have
volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom.
There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.
They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge
an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a '
dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.
So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of
Americans? Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds,
it leads; and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car
crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at
the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit
corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend
their actions by justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why
they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about
"how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this
way"... Insane!
Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the
TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird
cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is
exponentially more good than bad.
We are among the most blessed people on Earth, and should thank God
several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.
"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding,
severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and
with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a
good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"
Jay Leno
2007
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Charlie & Kirstin, Kirstin & Charlie
Jun. 6th, 2007 | 03:49 pm
mood:
happy
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Ruby Rosetta on Yahoo! News! :-)
Jun. 6th, 2007 | 03:26 pm
mood:
good
Ruby Pittman, 8, of California takes a photograph of Jackson family items, including Michael Jackson's mid-80s era, black-crested custom jacket (upper left) on display during a preview for an auction at The Joint inside the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, 30 May 2007. Some of Michael Jackson's memorable and glittery clothes sold for thousands of dollars Wednesday at a huge auction of goods belonging to the "King of Pop" and his famous musical family.(AFP/Getty Images/File/Ethan Miller)
Start of Michael Jackson Auction Less Than a Thriller
Thu May 31, 8:43 AM ET
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A Michael Jackson MTV award fetched 16,000 dollars (11,900 euros) Wednesday at a huge auction of goods belonging to the "King of Pop" and his famous family, but it was less than a thrilling start to the sale.
In addition to 16,000 dollars for his MTV award for "We Are the World," gold disc awards for his album "Off the Wall" and the Jackson 5 single "I Want You Back" raked in 11,000 dollars each, according to figures available on the Internet.
But many of the items sold at a Las Vegas hotel-casino by Guernsey's Auction House -- which has billed the two-day event as the biggest-ever sale of Jackson family memorabilia -- went under the hammer for just a few hundred dollars.
A platinum record for the massively successful song "Billie Jean" was sold for just 100 dollars, while a picture signed by the pop legend was bought for 750 dollars.
One of the most notable items, a copy of the contract for Jackson's purchase in 1987 of the California ranch that he nicknamed "Neverland," sold for just 100 dollars at the auction held at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino.
Jackson started out in the 1960s with four of his older brothers in the Jackson 5 pop group, which produced a series of platinum records for Motown, selling millions.
Some of the items in Wednesday and Thursday's sale date back to this period, while others are from his hugely successful solo years in the 1980s, when he recorded albums such as "Thriller" and "Bad."
Jackson himself initially opposed the auction before the matter was resolved amicably. The goods belonged to one of the singer's associates but were seized by creditors when the person went bankrupt.
The 48-year-old singer quit Neverland and spent most of the past two years in the Gulf state of Bahrain after a California court acquitted him in 2005 of child molestation charges. He has recently moved to Las Vegas.
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Smoky Times
May. 14th, 2007 | 11:06 am
mood:
tired
LAKE CITY, Fla. - Authorities briefly reopened two highways crossing north Florida into Georgia on Sunday before dense wildfire smoke forced them to again halt traffic, while hundreds of Florida residents waited to return to their threatened homes.
Officials said Sunday that the wildfire that had raced through the Okefenokee Swamp in southeast Georgia and into Florida had charred more than 233,700 acres — or about 365 square miles — since it was started by lightning a week ago.
Officials warned that storms in the forecast Sunday could bring either much-needed rain or lightning.
Authorities reopened 90 miles of Interstates 75 and 10 for a couple of hours Sunday morning after wind helped push the heavy smoke away from the highways. But they were later forced to close 35 miles of I-75 from the Florida-Georgia state line to Lake City, Fla., as well as a 40-mile stretch of I-10 in Florida, from Live Oak to Sanderson.
A 15-mile stretch of I-75 from Valdosta, Ga., to the Florida state line remained open Sunday.
About 570 residents were not being allowed to return to 150 homes evacuated between I-10 and the Florida-Georgia state line.
The fire started May 5 in the middle of the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge. It took just six days to grow larger than another wildfire that has burned nearly 121,000 acres of Georgia forest and swampland over more than three weeks. The small fire was started by a tree falling on a power line.
The Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge and Georgia's Steven C. Foster State Park inside it remained closed. Haze from the fires had traveled as far south as the Miami area, about 340 miles away.
The smoky skies over South Florida have disoriented birds, causing many to fly into buildings, wildlife experts said. More than 100 warblers and other small birds found injured on the ground have been brought to the Pelican Harbor Seabird Station in Miami to recover, said Wendy Fox, the agency's executive director.
"The smoke's not good for anybody, but obviously, it's throwing something off for them," Fox said.
Elsewhere, a blaze feeding on drought-stricken forest in northern Minnesota was only 15 percent contained as of Sunday. Meteorologists said there was a 40 percent of thunderstorms Sunday. They could produce the first significant rainfall in the parched area in almost a week, but the hope of rain was outweighed by the threat of wind gusting to 25 mph.
"We don't think the rain is going to help us a whole lot," said Mark Van Every, a spokesman for the firefighting effort.
The fire had closed about half of the 57-mile-long Gunflint Trail, a key route from Grand Marais into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area wilderness that is dotted with resorts and lake homes. A fire jumped a defense line designed to keep it away from 20 or so homes on Loon Lake on Sunday, and helicopters dumped water on the flames to contain it.
Officials said Sunday the fire had destroyed 133 buildings, including 61 residences. They estimated the value of buildings lost at $3.7 million.
Off the coast of Southern California, continued cool weather Sunday helped firefighters on Santa Catalina Island maintain control of a blaze that had threatened the resort community of Avalon.
The 4,200-acre or 6.5-square-mile fire was 69 percent contained Sunday and was expected to be encircled by Tuesday evening, Los Angeles County Fire Inspector Scott Ross said. One home and six businesses burned Thursday but no one was seriously injured.
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Apr. 30th, 2007 | 09:57 am
location: Home!
mood:
calm
music: Yahoo! Launchcast
Portfolio.com
By Eileen Daspin
The ridiculous race to build the world's tallest building.
A building boom is under way in the stratosphere as ego-driven developers scramble to erect the world's tallest skyscraper. Who'll finish first? It's too soon to say.
Just as the U.S. sought to declare its newfound prominence in the early 1900s with a spate of soaring towers, so too are today's emerging economic powers in Asia, Russia, and the Middle East. The difference? While the Empire State Building reigned as the planet's tallest for 41 years (eclipsed in 1972 by the World Trade Center), future titleholders will likely eke out only a few months (or at most a couple of years) on top before being knocked out by a higher high-rise.
The International Business Center in Seoul (1,902 feet), designed to house foreign companies' South Korean offices, is scheduled to be completed in 2008—edging out Taiwan's 1,666-foot Taipei 101, the world's tallest building since 2004.
Assuming it finishes on schedule (a big if, given the scale of the project), the Seoul tower won't hold the crown for long: Two of the largest real estate companies in the United Arab Emirates are hot on its heels. Emaar Properties' 2,296-foot Burj Dubai is also coming in 2008, to be followed two years later by Al Burj, which will be situated about 25 miles away on the Dubai waterfront. That project's developer, Emaar rival Nakheel, is keeping Al Burj's final height a secret, citing competitive reasons. “It's one sheik trying to outdo another,” says Marshall Gerometta, an editor at Emporis.com , a popular wiki site for the construction industry.
But there's a tower on the horizon that would easily dwarf Burj Dubai (and almost certainly Al Burj too). The Burj Mubarak al-Kabir, a proposed skyscraper near Kuwait City , would rise to a staggering 3,284 feet. That's well over the half-mile mark and nearly double the height of the current recordholder. As you can see, it barely fits on this page.
Building
Country
Height (Ft.)
Year
1. Burj Mubarak al-Kabir
Kuwait
3,284
2011
2. Al Burj
U.A.E.
2,500
2010
3. Burj Dubai
U.A.E.
2,296
2008
4. Chicago Spire
U.S.
2,000
2010
5. Incheon Tower
South Korea
2,000
2012
6. Moscow City Tower
Russia
1,968
2011
7. International Business Center
South Korea
1,902
2008
8. Lotte Super Tower
South Korea
1,820
2010
9. Freedom Tower
U.S.
1,776
2011
10. Lotte World II
South Korea
1,673
2012
11. Taipei 101
Taiwan
1,666
2004
12. Empire State Building
U.S.
1,250
1931
13. Eiffel Tower
France
986
1887
14. Great Pyramid
Egypt
481
2566 B.C.
Interesting!
It's all about who's the biggest...ego goes a long way! LOL
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The days go by...
Mar. 21st, 2007 | 09:42 pm
mood:
confused
I finished reading a book called "Lost in the Forest" by Sue Miller (a really good book, btw) on the plane from Dallas on Monday. There was a part in it where this lady is an author and she is giving a talk in a book store. It was a fictional character, of course, and she had written a book called "Creating the Life You Want to Live". She told of her life and how she came to write the book, etc etc...but one of her quotes stuck with me: "What makes you happy? That's what changed everything. Those four words. What. Makes. You. Happy. Because, my friends, here was the hard truth. I didn't know, either." She basically said that she didn't know in her life what did make her happy, even though she was married, had a great job, great house...but where was the substance?
Now, I don't feel that extreme...I know what could make me happy, I think...I just don't know if I am on the right path to get there or if I will get there without hurting people (others and myself) on the way.
Life is so tricky...there are large parts of me that feel like I am doing the right thing, heading the right way, but other parts that feel opposite. How do I know I am going the right way? How do I find out what will make me happy? When will I find that out?
I guess I also feel so cut off from everyone...my friends, my family...like I am just going through the motions of my everyday life, making my money, spending my money...but not being with those that I love...friends, family...those I left in Kansas, Texas, Missouri, Oklahoma...and that I am missing out on life...skipping moments I will never get back just to make a big dollar or make someone else happy...or not complicate things...
How do I know what to do? Is this a phase...I don't know...?
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Grand Canyon Skywalk
Mar. 8th, 2007 | 12:32 pm
mood:
indifferent
By CHRIS KAHN, Associated Press Writer Wed Mar 7, 9:00 PM ET
PHOENIX - An Indian tribe fastened a massive glass-bottomed walkway to the edge of the Grand Canyon on Wednesday as part of an ambitious tourism center that has angered environmentalists and some tribal members. The Hualapai (pronounced WALL-uh-pie), an impoverished tribe of about 2,200 people at the canyon's remote western edge, allowed a private developer to construct the $30 million Skywalk in hopes of luring tourists to the region.
"The Grand Canyon has name appeal, and since part of the reservation lies in that, it only seems natural that we use the attraction to the benefit of the tribe," Hualapai Chairman Charlie Vaughn said.
At 1.07 million pounds, the Skywalk is about as heavy as four Boeing 757 jets stacked atop one another. It was perched at the canyon's edge using an elaborate system of pulleys connected to four tractor-trailers.
Underneath, hydraulic "shoes" lifted the Skywalk above a cement track, rolled it across a bed of metal rods, and set it onto four steel anchors that were drilled deep into the canyon rock. Workers then welded the walkway to the anchors.
While it was pushed out, the walkway was not anchored to the canyon wall. To keep it from tipping over the side, engineers loaded the back end with a half-million pounds of steel cubes as counterweight.
Debra Wilkerson, an assistant operations manager for Grand Canyon West, the agency that supervises the Skywalk, said Wednesday that the rollout was finished without any problems. "Just smooth as glass," she said. "It's awesome."
The Skywalk extends about 70 feet over the rim and about 4,000 feet over the canyon floor. It's designed to withstand 100 mph winds and has shock absorbers to keep the walkway from wobbling as people walk through.
Construction began in April 2005.
David Jin, a Las Vegas developer, came up with the idea for the Skywalk a decade ago. He approached the Hualapai in 1996 with a plan to build it using his own money.
The tribe agreed on the condition that it will own the walkway. Jin will get a cut of the profits.
As it was being built this year, some Hualapai elders said they began to question the wisdom of the project. The tribe considers the canyon sacred ground, and the construction cut into land scattered with Hualapai burial sites.
"You have to be real gentle with the land," said Hualapai spiritual leader Frank Mapatis. "It's a living being, and it can feel those things."
Environmentalists also have criticized the project for diminishing the canyon's majesty.
Kieran Suckling, a policy analyst for the Center for Biological Diversity in Tucson, Ariz., called the Skywalk a "tacky tourist attraction."
If the Hualapais need to boost their economy, they should follow the national park's example and build their attractions away from the rim.
"The tribal leadership is turning the Grand Canyon into a zoo," Suckling said. "It's unbelievable."
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On the Net:
http://www.grandcanyonskywalk.com/
Yet another place I actually haven't seen (from the ground...just from the air) and plan to see...and now, even more so just to challenge myself to walk out on this thing!!! Wow!



